Megyn Kelly told Alex Jones that during child custody trial, `You just became very fascinating to me.’

Good Friday Austin:

Ahead of Sunday’s airing of his interview with Megyn Kelly for her NBC show, Alex Jones last night released some audiotape of his telephone conversation with Kelly, days before the interview, in which she assured him she would be fair to him, that she means him no harm, and that she became fascinated with him while following the coverage of his child custody trial here in Austin back in April.

Oh Megyn.

Oh my.

Here she is:

Megyn Kelly:

The reason you are interesting to me is I followed your custody case and I think you had a very good point about how the media was covering it and for some reason treated you and your family and what was going on as fair game when they never would have done that, if you will, to a mainstream media figure, and I saw a different side of you in that whole thing.

You just became very fascinating to me.

I wonder what the precise moment was that Kelly fell for Alex Jones.

Oh, wait, I know.

Or maybe it was this moment, from his time on the witness stand.

When (attorney Bobby) Newman asked Alex Jones to describe Kelly Jones’ good qualities as a mother, Jones, staring at his ex-wife, said, “I cannot perjure myself. She doesn’t have any good qualities.”

Or the testimony, by his ex-wife and others, which apparently carried the day with the jury, that Jones had – in what is known as parental alienation – turned his children against their mother.

Megyn Kelly:

I just thought maybe you were this one-dimensional guy, like this is your thing, and the comments I heard from you during the course of that trial and your plea to the media to be respectful of you and your kids, just reminded me you’re just like anybody, you’re a dad, you go through the same things we go through. Now that would be an interesting story to tell.

You’re a dad, you go through the same things we go through.

Yeah sure.

Like this.

Jones’ retrospective analysis of  Kelly’s pre-interview massaging of his ego, and what followed, is truly classic:

Now I don’t know why I accepted this challenge. It’s like some subconscious algorithm that leads me with the with the assurance of a sleepwalker.

But I knew if I entered the labyrinth of the Gorgon, of this modern-day Medusa, that through the process others would understand the larger deception.

And here is what Kelly Jones, at her post-trial site,, has to say about Megyn Kelly’s interview with her ex.

I’m so disappointed that Megyn Kelly has decided to do this show, and worse, to air it on Father’s Day.

Alex has made fun of deceased children as recently as the Manchester Attacks and has fomented ongoing hate and lies about the Sandy Hook tragedy.  It is appalling and continues to be a nightmare for these families, years later.

If Megyn wants to shine a spotlight on who the real Alex Jones is, she should talk to me.  I was with him and married to him for 15 years. Alex is hypocrite who lies and reverses track repeatedly.  He cannot be trusted to tell the truth and will do anything for hype and to control.

Shame on Alex Jones and Megyn Kelly for using the Sandy Hook Tragedy to get ratings at the cost of the innocent lives lost at Sandy Hook and the poor Sandy Hook parents.

I have reached out to Megyn and available to talk to her anytime to help set the record straight about who Alex is, what he believes, and what he has done to his own children.

I hope NBC will pull the show and make it right by interviewing the Sandy Hook parents and me.  If they just cancel the show, Alex will once again have profited from the hype of national media attention.  It’s time for him to be held accountable and for people to hear the real story of who Alex Jones is.

Backing up, here is more from Jones reveal of the audiotape last night:

Alex Jones:

Megyn Kelly waltzed in here and said she wasn’t going to talk about Sandy Hook. She wasn’t going to talk about Pizzagate. She wasn’t going to talk about Chobani Yogurt. That she wasn’t going to talk about Islamic terrorism. That she wanted to do a softball profile of Alex Jones. And when she got here with her crew of intelligence operatives, she did the opposite of what she said and so I was recording the whole time.

From her pre-interviews, right through the interview, we have a record of it, so you can decide for yourself what I really said and what I stood for. These tyrants haven’t figured it out yet that information warfare is a two-street. And we’re going to give as good as we get.

You alone will be the judge. You alone will be the jury of who’s fake news and who stands for America and who stands against it.

Megyn Kelly:

Well I’ve started my new job. You may have heard … It’s a news magazine show across from 60 Minutes. It’s sort of a good opportunity for long-form story-telling. It’s not like the 3-minute interview of people. It’s like the in-depth profiles of people. And at the top of my list was you.

Alex Jones:

So it’s like an investigative report of fake news.

Megyn Kelly:

Nnnooo. No. What we’re doing? No.

Alex Jones:

Yeah. Come on.

Megyn Kelly:

No, no, no.

The reason you are interesting to me is I followed your custody case and I think you had a very good point about how the media was covering it and for some reason treated you and your family and what was going on as fair game when they never would have done that, if you will, to a mainstream media figure, and I saw a different side of you in that whole thing, You just became very fascinating to me.

I just thought maybe you were this one-dimensional guy, like this is your thing, and the comments I heard from you during the course of that trial and your plea to the media to be respectful of you and your kids, just reminded me you’re just like anybody, you’re a dad, you go through the same things we go through. Now that would be an interesting story to tell.

Alex Jones:

Now I don’t know why I accepted this challenge. It’s like some subconscious algorithm that leads me with the with the assurance of a sleepwalker.

But I knew if I entered the labyrinth of the Gorgon, of this modern-day Medusa, that through the process others would understand the larger deception.

If I didn’t take the challenge then good, or at least an open heart, would be hiding from evil. And so that’s why I let Megan Kelly set up this conflict on her own terms, on her own battlefield, because despite the fact that she was delusional and believed that she would deceive me and my viewers, at the end of the day she failed.

Alex Jones:

 Sure, but wouldn’t the argument be in the show – I see it as a standard Democratic talking point – I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing, well, he asked for privacy for his family but he didn’t do that in Sandy Hook, and he didn’t do that for the pizzeria.

Megyn Kelly:

No, I can ask you about that. It’s not going to be a contentious sort of gotcha exchange. That’s not what this show is and that’s not what I really want to do. I want to do in-depth profiles of people. Just interesting people. So I can ask you that. This is what the critics say, but this is not going to be an ah-ha, play a clip.

I’m sort of, for lack of a better term, trying to create a different kind of program. And it’s fine.

I’ll ask you about some of the controversies, of course, and you’ll say whatever you want to say, but it’s not going to be some gotcha hit piece, I promise you that.

It doesn’t serve me. It doesn’t do me any good. If I do that you go out and say, “She did a hit piece on me. this is what she said and this is what she did,” and then the next time she wants to get somebody, they are going to say, “Look at what you did to Alex Jones, so screw you.”

So I promise you, that’s not what this is going to be. It’ll be, it really will be, who is this guy?

And we’ll talk about some of the controversy and I’ll ask you and you can respond and we’ll get into what have you been through the last year.

My goal is for your listeners, and the left, which will be watching some on NBC, to say, “Wow, that was really interesting.”

I can just give you my word. If there is one thing about me, I do what I say I am going to do and I don’t double cross, and I promise you, when it’s over you’ll say, “Absolutely, she did what she said she was going to do,” and you’ll be fine with it.

I’m not looking at portraying you as some boogeyman, or do any sort of a gotcha moment. I just want to talk about you. I want people to get to know you. And the craziest thing of all would be if some of those people who have this insane version of you in their heads walk away saying, you know what, I see the dad in him, I see the guy who loves those kids and is more complex than I had been led to believe.

I have not enjoyed being on the pointy end of the political spear. It was not something I ever wanted to do

I would say I’m a combination of Mike Wallace, Oprah Winfrey and Larry the Cable guy

Alex Jones:

Ha ha. Larry the Cable Guy’s a good guy.

Megyn Kelly:

I love him. That’s what you’ll get in the interview – a little bit of all three of them, and everybody will walk away feeling like they had a good dinner, nutritious, some red meat, with some dessert at the end.

Alex Jones:

But separately, you guys won’t show where my office is or anything like that?

Megyn Kelly:


To be perfectly honest, I don’t know what all the controversies surrounding you are./I know you make waves and people have this reaction like  “Oh, Alex Jones, oh my God.”

So I’ll look at some of that and I’ll ask you about it. You’re going to be far more versed in all of this stuff than i will be. And you’ll have the chance  to say whatever you want to say. If I ask you have about any controversy, you’ll have the chance to say whatever you want to say.

If I ask you have about any controversy, you’ll have a chance to answer it and I’m not going to cut you in a way that will take down the heart of your explanation, the real substance of it. I won’t do that to you.

I’m grateful. Thank you for saying yes.

Alex Jones:

Can’t wait to meet you.


Alex Jones:

Megyn Kelly is a puppet. She is a beautiful woman who the corporate structure uses to push its agenda.

From Hadas Gold at Politco Morning Media this morning.

THE MEGYN KELLY/ALEX JONES SHOW — The Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones drama heated up considerably on Thursday night. The show is still set to air on Sunday night and whether or not you agree or disagree that Kelly should have interviewed Jones in the first place, the entire drama surrounding it is turning into a full blown issue for NBC. Not only are there grieving families of innocent young children on one side of Kelly and the network, there’s a conniving conspiracy-theorist adept at manipulating the media on the other.

Case in point: Overnight, Jones released some audio of a pre-interview Kelly conducted with him (interspersed with Jones’ commentary).

“It’s not going to be a contentious, sort of gotcha exchange,” she says explaining further that the show is not about such moments, just profiles on interesting people, but that she will be asking him about his more controversial views.

Immediately after playing that clip of Kelly, Jones, sitting in his studio, talks about his conspiracy theories that Sandy Hook was not real but that in “hindsight, it probably did happen.” Jones says that once Kelly arrived for the interview, she “attacked me” about his conspiracy theories.

“It really will be about ‘who is this guy?’ … I’m not looking to portray you as some boogeyman or just any sort of gotcha moment. I just want to talk about you,” Kelly says in further clips. “The craziest thing of all would be if some of the people who just have this insane version of you in their head walk away saying, ‘you know what, I see the dad in him.”

On the other side are the families. POLITICO has obtained a letter sent by a law firm representing several of the families who lost loved ones in the 2012, suggesting that NBC faces ramifications should the interview air. The letter is addressed to NBC President Andy Lack, Megyn Kelly’s executive producer David Corvo and NBC’s General Counsel Kimberly Harris. In the letter, the families say that while “NBC is not responsible for the harassment and abuse Alex Jones has cruelly visited on our clients,” by choosing to air the interview (on Father’s Day no less), NBC has helped legitimize Jones’ view. By airing the interview, NBC “implicitly endorses” the notion that Jones’ conspiracy theories and lies are “worthy of serious debate.”

“We urge you to consider the ethical and legal ramifications of broadcasting this interview to millions of Americans. By now, it should be clear to NBC that airing the interview will cause serious emotional distress to dozens of Sandy Hook families. NBC – and NBC alone – has the power to prevent that harm.”

— An NBC spokesperson had no comment Thursday night on either the Jones’ recordings or the letter from the families.

MEANWHILE, NBC REPORTEDLY ‘OVERHAULED’ SUNDAY’S SHOW Page Six reported, as Kelly and NBC are now said to be including families of the Sandy Hook children, and are “editing her interview with Jones to be tougher on him.” That being said – NBC and many in television news would say pieces are often edited and changed up until the last minute.


Alex Jones calls Megyn Kelly interview with him a plot against fatherhood and Father’s Day


There’s no such things as bad publicity, like P.T. Barnum said. But I’m not P.T. Barnum. I stand for what I believe in. I’m not fake news.

Alex Jones on Infowars Monday.

Good day Austin:

Alex Jones had a eureka moment yesterday, an epiphany that led him to go on the air after his usual show, at 4:30 in the afternoon our time, and join Sandy Hook parents, and advertiser J.P. Morgan, to call on NBC to cancel airing his interview with Megyn Kelly on her new show Sunday night.

The Sandy Hook parents and J.P. Morgan have different reasons than Jones for wanting the airing of the interview canceled or, in Jones’ case, at least postponed.

The Sandy Hook parents and J.P. Morgan want the show canceled because they consider Jones a despicable man who suggested hose parents may have faked their children’s deaths and inspired some of his followers to take actions against them based on their believing what Jones told them.

No, the reason Jones wants the airing of the interview canceled, or at least postponed, is that epiphany yesterday, the moment he realized that Megyn Kelly had set him up by insistently, pleadingly pursuing an interview with him, relentlessly bringing up Sandy Hook in the interview, and, then editing his answers (he presumes – he hasn’t seen it) and lighting him in the most ghoulish Halloween fashion, all for a show that would air – and this is the big reveal –  on Father’s Day.

It is all, Jones said he realized in a flash of insight, a plot against fatherhood, against him as a father, and against Father’s Day.

I kid you not.

Watch the video.

His Father’s Day moment comes at the 8-minute mark.

Alex Jones:

I clicked this morning and went, that’s Father’s Day.

They want to sit there with fathers and families together and they know how I’m a father, the whole piece is about how I’m a father, and it all clicked. They want to make fathers look bad. Remember the Super Bowl, two years ago and then again this year, they had all the controversy about all the ads that demonized fathers and said that fathers were bad and fathers weren’t good.

And it clicked. I went, oh my God, they want to drive a wedge with a guy that looks like a classic American father, but lit from the bottom, like a Halloween deal, with light under my face to look scary and sit there and edit, because she kept saying, over and over again, things I didn’t say, were out of context, and so I realized something was weird and how she was tying fatherhood and my being a father and my children and then bringing up Sandy Hook, and then it all clicked today.

It’s Father’s Day.

Of course, it’s all part of the global conspiracy against Father’s Day, against fatherhood, and against Father Jones, who, one might recall, was recently involved in a child custody trial in which his ex-wife was granted primary joint custody of their three children, though his lawyers are seeking to set aside the jury verdict, and in the meantime, he has a an infant child, born at the beginning of May, to his new wife.

As for those anti-father Super Bowl ads, the only evidence Jones offers is this reference to an Audi commercial.

Here is the ad.

I am as suspicious as anyone of the dubious link between progressive values and driving a German luxury car. There might even be something pernicious about it.

But the message of the ad hardly seems like a part of some sinister assault on fatherhood.


I have watched many scores of hours of Alex Jones over the last year or two.

But as I watched Jones monologue from yesterday, I was reminded how deeply, dangerously self-involved he can be, how effortlessly and fluently he can spin a fully-formed conspiracy out of thin air and how he is one of perhaps ten people in the country – maybe far fewer – most responsible for constructing the political reality and the “news” environment in which President Donald Trump lives and breathes and on which he depends.

From Warzel:

The argument behind the outrage suggests that featuring Jones on a primetime network television interview show is an irresponsible use of a powerful news platform. To sit Jones across from one of America’s most recognizable (and highest-paid) news personalities is to legitimize a man with fringe views that many find abhorrent. Furthermore, they note, such exposure could theoretically extend Jones’ reach; what if malleable minds see something they like in Jones’ interview and become fans or regular viewers?

It’s a valid argument, but one that misunderstands the media’s role in the Trump era — not to mention Jones’ role inside the pro-Trump media ecosystem. Like it or not, Alex Jones is an architect of our current political moment, and as such, the mainstream media shouldn’t try to shield its audience from him or pretend he doesn’t exist — it should interrogate him.

Jones is a far-fringe personality, and a wildly popular one. While his more outlandish views suggest a man embraced only by the tinfoil hat community — he’s alleged that 9/11 is likely an inside job and that bombs engineered by the government to control the population have turned our frogs gay — Jones’ influence is real and widely felt. If you attended any Trump rally in the lead-up to the 2016 election, you likely saw his ubiquitous navy “Hillary for Prison” T-shirts, which Jones hawked through his Infowars store (until they sold out, that is). At the Republican National Convention in Cleveland last summer, Jones was greeted like royalty.

Since Jones backed the Trump campaign in 2015, his influence has grown significantly, especially among young males. “So many people watch him now, he’s almost the mainstream,” one of the broadcaster’s young supporters told the New Republic last summer. That piece, which interviewed a number of newly minted Jones fans, describes a similar pattern of conversion: young men intrigued by a viral Infowars video and subsequently won over by Jones’ charisma and message.

According to audience measurement outfit Quantcast, pulled in 476 million views during 2016; Alexa suggests that currently receives 340,625 daily unique visitors. And that doesn’t begin to account for the scores of listeners Jones brings in over terrestrial radio or the millions of video views amassed on YouTube.

If Donald Trump were not president, Alex Jones would be a bizarre and riveting odd fellow, a brilliant madman with a ballistic bullhorn.

But Donald Trump is president.

If Kelly’s justification for interviewing Jones is reasonable, that doesn’t mean it will be well executed and end well, and the oddly flirtatious run-up to the interview – or at least that’s how it appeared – gave reason for worry.

MEGYN KELLY: I’m here.

JONES: She’s there. So you just interviewed Putin, that was a big, big news maker and next it’s what — really? What’s airing this next Sunday?

KELLY: You’re in good company. This Sunday, Erin Andrews.

JONES: OK. Erin Andrews. And then when’s Trump?

KELLY: As soon as he says yes.

JONES: OK, well I heard–

KELLY: I’m going to use you as a lure to get him.

JONES: Are you going to be sweet to him?

KELLY: What do you mean? I am very sweet. He and I are all good.

JONES: Would you sit in his lap?

KELLY: Move on.

JONES: I know, I’m just having some fun. OK, Megyn Kelly. That’s actually a look-alike. That’s actually not Megyn Kelly. Thank you, Megyn. I got to say, she’s prettier in person.

KELLY: I never know whether that’s a compliment or not in my line of work.

JONES: No, no, no. I mean it, I mean it. You’re prettier in person. OK, well thank you, Megyn.

After watching Jones’ latest, my suggestion is not that Kelly cancel his appearance on her show Sunday, but that she scrap her interview and instead, after a brief introduction, run this tape, uncut, or just the first 11 minutes if that’s the time that that segment of her show allows.

I know this is counter-intuitive, that the idea is to submit him to an intense interrogation and bury him with context and consequences.

And yet, I think, watching him unedited and without interruption, tells you everything you need to know about just how truly wack Alex Jones is.

Will the show come off as scheduled?

Probably, but who knows.

Here is an overnight rundown on the story from Joe Pompeo, with Alex Weprin, at POLITICO Media:

TALK ABOUT STEPPING IN IT – By the time Megyn Kelly woke up yesterday morning, a teaser of her upcoming sit-down with Infowars boss Alex Jones had begun circulating online. By the time Kelly went to bed last night, she’d entered full-on media controversy mode, as she faced heavy criticism for her decision to interview the far-right radio host, conspiracy maven and Sandy Hook skeptic. There was fierce backlash on Twitter, including from family members of Sandy Hook victims . Calls for a boycott of Kelly’s new NBC News show, “Sunday Night with Megyn Kelly,” made headlines. At press time, at least one sponsor, J.P. Morgan, had reportedly pulled its ads. On the other end of the spectrum, Infowars was accusing Kelly of being a shill for the so-called “deep state,” and Jones himself was calling for her to pull the interview , scheduled for Sunday, on the basis of Kelly “misrepresenting my views on Sandy Hook,” he claimed on Twitter.

The irony here is that Kelly, who made her NBC debut less than three weeks ago, had finally escaped the scandal-infested waters of Fox News — and in fact the seas over there were looking pretty calm yesterday by comparison, with little more to speak of than an announcement about six executive promotions (more on that below) — only to find herself enveloped in a different sort of sh-t storm. NBC reps weren’t responding to reporters, but one would expect they’ll have to say something beyond Kelly’s Sunday evening tweet explaining her news judgment on the matter: “POTUS’s been on & praises @RealAlexJones’ show. He’s giving Infowars a WH press credential. Many don’t know him; our job is 2 shine a light.”

Late last night, CNN published some quotes from an interview with Kelly’s executive producer, Liz Cole: “As journalists it’s our job to interview newsmakers and people of influence no matter how abhorrent their views may be. … Giving him a platform would mean he goes unchallenged, and that’s not the case in any way. … Viewers will see Megyn do a strong interview where she challenges him appropriately … Until you see the full program, in the full context, I wouldn’t judge it too much.”

Here is Jones from yesterday afternoon.

Last week Megyn Kelly, who has launched her big NBC Show, came down here  to Austin to interview me and they were from from 9:30 in the morning to almost 11 at night.

And Megyn Kelly lied to me.

Several weeks before she came here and she said that the interview was not going to be about Sandy Hook and the mass shooting there, and that it was not going to be about Pizzagate and these other issues that the media always obsesses on and misrepresents what I’ve said and what I’ve done.

She said, `Oh we might mention those but she said, “It’s really just a profile on you,” and I said, “No it’s not.”  Because all MSM does is hammer on that continually. It doesn’t affect my listeners. They know you’re liars.  But I’m not going to do it.

Just today I called The View and said I’m not going to do an interview with them in two weeks. They want me on as well. Been on the view. It’s boring. Zombies watch it. I don’t need MSM. I don’t need their, quote, validation, or their attacks, any of it.

They have zombies watching, so it would be like giving a speech to a graveyard. It has no effect.

But I decided to do the Megyn Kelly interview because I wanted to get the anatomy of a true PSYOP.

Of course I taped my conversation with her and I taped our interview, so I could show, just like we’ve done with other reporters, how they edit.

So I’m not going to say, “Watch out, you might have been taped.” You were taped.

That’s the anatomy of propaganda. I wanted to go inside and see what she would do.

She’s a lawyer. It was a total cross-examination.

She spent almost two hours on Sandy Hook and a few other issues, and when I said I believed children died there, as I’ve said for years, she kept coming back with answers saying, “You believed nobody died.” “You believe Anderson Cooper was involved. You believe Robbie Parker (he father of victim Emilie Parker) was involved.”

And on and on and on.

I said, “No. My listeners questioned it. I had debates with both sides. I played devil’s advocate and said maybe none of it happened, maybe it was all fake, just like they lied about WMD’s in Iraq, and had all those fake sanctions that killed over a half million Iraqi children.

This is a frequent Alex Jones trope.

Because George W. Bush misled us into war in Iraq, the parents of children who were murdered at an elementary school in Connecticut were fair game for the suspicion that they faked their children’s death.

And, Jones insisted, as he has, that when he ranted about how the murders were fake, he was merely playing “devil’s advocate,” voicing the suspicions of some of his listeners, though how those or any listeners were supposed to know when he was ranting his own true beliefs and when he was channeling some listener’s suspicions, is not at all clear.

And this is perhaps where Alex Jones is most disappointing, where he is simply not a stand up guy.

I mean, if you are going to be the nation’s preeminent conspiracy theorist, if you are going to spin a reality that is going to inform the president of the United States, at the very least, own your conspiracies, own that alternate reality.

This is the dossier from Media Matters for America, which tracks Jones and Infowars, on exactly what Alex Jones has said about the Sandy Hook massacre: “Staged,” “inside job,” “undoubtedly there’s a cover-up,” “giant hoax,” “the whole thing was fake,” “in my view, manufactured”

And here is PolitiFact Texas on Alex Jones and Sandy Hook from September.

And, indeed, it appears, even in his current, y’all got me wrong about this mode, he is still not really sure what he thinks about Sandy Hook, unready to completely commit and oblivious to why that is a problem.

Back to Jones:

Then the other side of me believes those parents I see on TV and real mass shootings do happen, so it probably did happen.

But why is Anderson Cooper on a green screen when he claims he’s there? Off air, she’s (referring to Megyn Kelly) like, “Oh yeah, we fake locations all the time.” That’s known. That’s not saying they’re involved in it. So what they do is they clip and they misrepresent.

Last year I shot a video and said my final statement on Sandy Hook.

And in there I break down the fact that the public doesn’t believe the media and what happened, because the media’s been caught lying so much and has a six percent approval rating, but that I tend to believe that people did die there, they were just using PR teams to go in an exacerbate it and hype it up to get the maximum effect and blame the American people and blame gun owners for what happened.

But they’ll never put out my full statement. They’ll never put out the full spectrum of it. Only take out of context because I have a wide form broadcast.

Full spectrum? Wide form broadcast?

What Jones is referring to is the fact that Infowars is on four hours a day, and that is a lot of time to fill, and that people don’t tune in to find out there isn’t a global conspiracy or that virtually everything isn’t a false flag or an inside job, and that’s what he’s really, really good at and what has made him very successful and,  beyond his wildest dreams, very influential and now very rich.

Alex Jones:

And I told her (Kelly), “Listen, they use this (his statements on Sandy Hook), out of context, to be hurtful – I told her on the phone and in person – to people who  have lost children in real tragedies. And I said, if you want to bring up Sandy Hook, I am going to bring up the half million dead Iraqis  when the Clintons expanded the sanctions that (former Secretary of State) Madeleine Albright admitted killed a half million Iraqi kids.


She said, “Oh no, we’re not really going to go there, its’ a profile on you,” and I said, “Bull, every mainstream article’s the same thing.” I understand there’s a hit piece out on me to try to destroy independent media, and then sure enough, they came here at 9:30 … until almost 11, and it was cross-examination.

The one-minute-twenty-nine second promo piece that they put out last night that created this national firestorm and that did not have me in there saying I believe children didn’t die at Sandy Hook. They had it edited where it sounded like I was saying nobody died, and the headlines were that I doubled down, and that’s why I’m asking for the piece not to air on Father’s Day.

This is where he went into his Father’s Day epiphany, about how he “looks like a classic American father,” before the NBC crew throws the Halloween lighting on him.

So I agree with the victims, the families of Sandy Hook and I agree with the Big Banks who say they are going to boycott if it’s not being pulled.

I agree. I didn’t want to talk about Sandy Hook. They are going to edit it where I say Sandy Hook never happened, which they always do, and I don’t want to be part of MSM’s  fake media and their hoax.

I do not want to be part of this, because I believe mass shooting happen. I believe they exacerbate it and blame it on the general public, when the general public has nothing to do with it.

Our same liberal media calls for bringing Islamics into the country that bomb and shoot and attack, and she asked me about the Orlando nightclub attack and she said, “You think gays did it.” And I said, “What the hell are you talking about. I said liberals who are open and bringing the Muslims are the target. I didn’t blame the gays.” And she said, “You just did.” And I said, “No I didn’t lawyer. Who the hell would do that?”

So you see they’ve got a problem, they’re bringing in the radical Muslims who are killing the gays. So what do they do when I’m exposing it. They say I’m blaming them and ask some Perry Mason question.

And she would just sit there out of the blue and say, “Oh, so you blame the children that got blown up in Manchester,” without even asking a question. It’s all just zingers, just to cut in, just like Hillary did in the campaign ads with me in 2016 when I was having a debate on air and I was saying the whole thing happened like they said it happened at Sandy Hook, and the whole shooting was real, but then another part of me thinks the whole thing’s fake and staged because of x, y and z.

I can see why the public doesn’t believe the media.

I have a four-hour show every day. It’s teleprompter free and they use that against me and they cut it altogether.

And by the way, I’m not saying all of this because they are hammering me on Sandy Hookor any of this is hurting us.

We have more affiliates, more sponsors, more listeners, we’re expanding, we’re hiring tons of people, we’re building a huge new studio, we’re getting affiliates in D.C., Los Angeles, New York, London, Paris, Frankfurt.  I  mean it’s all being set up. We’re exploding. We’ve got $500 million in venture capital that wants to fund us. I’ve never even taken a loan.

We’re the zeitgeist. People really know we have 45 million listeners a week, exponentially growing.

But I really want to have integrity. I want to get up and explain why our listeners questioned Sandy Hook Day One. We looked at the anomalies and saw that they were doing some staged media stuff there, really pulling heart strings. The evidence points to real people being killed, and I’ve been criticized by the other side who thinks nobody got killed.

And I told Megyn all of that, but then, when she got in the interview with me, she didn’t go there, and she continued to hammer down over and over, to misrepresent where we stand and so I agree with the families of the victims of Sandy Hook, that Alex Jones profile/interview with Megyn Kelly does not need to air, it needs to be shelved, and it needs not to be aired on Father’s Day.

It’s not appropriate and it misrepresents what I said, And I told them I had a final statement last year and if they wanted to see what I said it was in there and they said over the phone, “We don’t want to go there,” and we might just briefly ask you about it, and then she asked me five, six, seven times and debated me and argued and said things I never said, looking at me to my face.

And so they are going to misrepresent and I don’t want to be part of that.

I wished they’d have had armed teachers at Sandy Hook to protect the children.

If you if cut off there, that’s about 11 minutes of screen time for Alex Jones, just about about what Kelly needs for Sunday’s show, on Father’s Day.

But Alex Jones is just getting started.














`In Austin, Texas, Austin, Texas, owns your trees.’ On the poetry of Gov. Greg Abbott


Good morning Austin:

First Reading has in the past taken note of the found poetry of American politics.

When Donald Trump announced for president on June 16, 2015, the next day’s First Reading  was headlined, `It’s not great again.’ The poetry of Donald Trump

For example, his poetic takes on the flawed announcement events of two rivals.

On Rick Perry

And, I can tell

Some of the candidates,

They went in.

They didn’t know the air-conditioner didn’t work.

They sweated like dogs.


Lincoln Chafee’s Metric of Failure

They didn’t know the room was too big,

because they didn’t have anybody there.

How are they going to beat ISIS?

I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

Hey, look, it’s Ben Jacobs, who was recently in the news himself for getting body-slammed by Montana congressional candidate Greg Gianforte, who has since been elected to Congress, apologized to Jacobs and agreed to plead guilty to assault.

Even  before writing about the poetry of Trump, inspired by a visit to BookPeople in Austin by Mike Huckabee to sign copies of his  book – God, Guns, Grits, and Gravy – in preparation for a second run for the White House, I devoted a February 2015 First Reading to Gravy on a bagel: An anthology of Republican verse from Abe to Huck.

From Huckabee:

Gravy on a Bagel (On first visiting Zabar’s)

Gravy on a bagel

Just doesn’t work for me.

If I want to chew that hard,

I’ll take up chewing tobacco,

Which I won’t.

I’m not even that rural.

Enter Gov. Greg Abbott.

Unlike Trump or Huck, Abbott’s poetics were not so obvious.

That was until last Monday, when I heard him speak at the Bell Country Republican Party Dinner in Belton, where he made his memorable and quite lyrical remarks about Austin, which I have entitled:

The Smell of Freedom (Austin stinks)

As I was coming up here from Austin, Texas, tonight,

I got to tell you.

It’s great to be out of the People’s Republic of Austin.

As you leave Austin and start heading north,

You start feeling different.

 Once you cross the Travis County line,

It starts smelling different.

And you know what that fragrance is?


It’s the smell of freedom

That does not exist

In Austin, Texas.

It turns out, this was not a one-off.

As I listened last week to Abbott on a series of drive-time and conservative talk radio shows – the favored forum of the Republican slam poet – I heard a recognizable style.

In Austin, Texas, Austin, Texas, owns your trees.

We have a problem here in Austin, Texas

I don’t know if you guys have up there.

In Austin, if you buy your own land,

to where you own a house, a ranch, or whatever,

you may think you own the trees on your land.

That’s not the case.

In Austin, Texas,

Austin, Texas, owns your trees.

That is insanity.

And that’s a violation of private property rights

in the state of Texas.

And we want things like that repealed.

Greek Chorus: How did that happen? What kind of law is that?

It’s socialistic,

is what it is.

I had a house.

Because I’m governor of the state of Texas

I live in the Governor’s mansion now.

But, before that,

I had a house.

I wanted to cut down a very common pecan tree in my yard.

And the city of Austin told me,


I could not cut it down.

And I had to pay money to the city of Austin

to add more trees to my yard

Because I wanted to cut down





that was in a bad location.

Pretty good, right?

I mean compare that to what is probably the most famous poem of all about trees  – Trees by Joyce Kilmer – a treacly, soft-minded confection compared to Abbott’s muscular verse.

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

And for this Joyce Kilmer gets a rest area named for him on the New Jersey Turnpike?

Credit: AA Roads.

I prefer the Ogden Nash knockoff: Song of the Open Road.

I think that I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree
Indeed, unless the billboards fall
I’ll never see a tree at all.

As is evident in the two Abbott poems, Austin is his muse, if animus be inspiration.

But, I suspect the relationship is more complicated than it at first appears.

From my Sunday story on the governor calling the special session.

Gov. Greg Abbott began his Tuesday announcement in a scolding tone.

“We should not be where we are today. A special session was entirely avoidable,” Abbott said before summoning lawmakers to return to Austin to tackle an expansive conservative agenda. “There was plenty of time for the House and the Senate to forge compromises to avoid the time and taxpayer expense of a special session. Because of their inability or refusal to pass a simple law that would prevent the medical profession from shutting down I am going to call a special session to complete that unfinished business. But if I am going to ask the taxpayers to foot the bill for a special session, I intend to make it count.”

The next 17 minutes, as Abbott unveiled the packed agenda for a 30-day special session to get underway July 18, were probably the best, and for him, the most satisfying, of his 2½ years as governor.


On a Wednesday appearance with Hal Jay on WBAP radio in the Metroplex, Abbott sounded delighted with what he had wrought and how thoroughly he had blown up under-the-dome assumptions.

“One of the fun things I have is I get to see all the speculation that people have, whether it could be about the special session or other things and, as usual, it turns out all the speculators are wrong,” Abbott said. “No one saw this coming. But I knew if we were going to have a special session, by God, it was going to be on issues that I consider to be important.”

The concern about cost is mostly rhetorical.

The main expense of a special session is the $190 per diem that each of the 182 members of the House and Senate collects for each day they work. That’s $34,580 a day. If the governor had called a special session just to pass a measure keeping the Texas Medical Board and four other agencies operating, he could have had a discount special session for only about a $100,000. If all 182 legislators work all 30 days, the price tag will be a little over a million dollars.

From the Statesman’s Elizabeth Findell: How could Abbott’s ‘war against cities’ special session affect Austin?

A special session of the Legislature that Mayor Steve Adler called a “war against cities” will be fought on at least nine fronts for the city of Austin.

Gov. Greg Abbott called the monthlong session, beginning July 18, after a regular session heavily focused on overturning local measures that Republican lawmakers consider governmental overreach.

Nine of 20 Abbott-proposed bills for the special session specifically target local authority. Some, like a lower property tax increase cap and municipal annexation reform, echo bills heavily debated during the recent session. Others, like calls to speed up local permitting and bar ordinances from affecting already-begun construction projects appear new — and mystifying to city leaders.

And local tree ordinances are on Abbott’s list.

Overturn rules protecting trees

Abbott said he would like a bill preventing cities from regulating what property owners can do with trees on private land. If that bill resembles Senate Bill 782, which never made it out of committee this session, it would specify that a landowner owns the trees on his property and can do as he wishes with them, and it would limit the tree removal fees that cities charge.

About 50 Texas cities have tree protection ordinances, including Round Rock, Pflugerville, Sunset Valley, Lockhart and West Lake Hills. Austin’s ordinance requires landowners to get city permission to cut down any trees with diameters of more than 19 inches and prohibits removing “heritage trees” — certain species with diameters of at least 24 inches — unless the tree is a safety risk or is preventing reasonable land use. From 2014 to 2016, the city preserved 43,000 trees, approved removing 23,000 and required the planting of 24,000 replacement trees.

Well, one of the 43,000 trees Austin saved – that pecan tree that was in a bad location on Abbott’s lawn – may ultimately prove costly to the city.

Or not.

I mean, follow the money, and the anti-Austin special session is revealed for what it really is – an Austin boondoggle, in which Texans from Amarillo to Corpus Christi are taxed $1 million, money that is entirely – and then some – directly injected into the Austin economy.

Where else do you think that $190 per diem is going?

For food and drink in Austin. For new sublets, hotel rooms and Airbnb’s for lawmakers whose regular session living arrangements in Austin have lapsed.

Have an extra room in your house? Put it on Craig’s List. And, whatever you think is a fair price, double it.

And, in the opening shot in his war on Austin, Abbott on Sine Die, in what he called a “celebration of freedom and free enterprise,” signed legislation bringing Uber and Lyft back to Austin just in time to cash in on the special session.

Gov. Greg Abbott used four pens to affix his signature to House Bill 100, taking ride-hailing regulation statewide in Texas, rendering moot the Austin ordinance that Lyft and Uber disliked, and simultaneously removing their reason for declining to arrange rides in Austin, Texas. TRICARDO B. BRAZZIELL/AMERICAN-STATESMAN

Indeed, the positive economic impact on Austin of a special session will undoubtedly far exceed the $1 million in collective per diems.

While I couldn’t find any figures on the Visit Austin website over the weekend, I did find this from a January 2001 story by future Houston Chronicle Pulitzer Prize winner, then AP writer, Lisa Falkenberg.

AUSTIN {AP} — When the great legislative cattle call rings through the Capitol chambers Tuesday, its effects will echo through every sector of Austin, stimulating liquor sales, stocking hotels and restaurants and further-frustrating the city’s trudging traffic.

The Capitol hummed with activity Monday as freshmen found their offices, aides unpacked boxes and workers delivered the last loads of lamps and endtables to offices.

Cynthia Maddox of the Austin Convention and Visitors Bureau (now Visit Austin) said the Legislature’s impact on Austin will be substantial.

“It’s a huge monster,” she said.

But a generous one.

Entertainment expenditures such as alcohol, food and hotel and housing revenue racked up over 140 days by lawmakers and lobbyists will boost the local economy by at least $50 million, Maddox estimated. That amount will soar higher if tedious debate on issues such as redistricting drags on into special sessions.

“With all the attention on the political scene in Texas with the new governor and redistricting, it could be as high as $60 to $65 million,” she said.

From another AP story in 2005:

When the Legislature is in session, an estimated $26.3 million flows into the local economy, according to a report sanctioned by the Austin Convention and Visitors Bureau.

“The excitement created around the Legislature being in town keeps us in the spotlight for 140 days,” said Robert Lander, president and chief executive of the visitors bureau.

According to the report, lodging, food, transportation and retail sales stand to gain the most from the biennial lawmaking frenzy.

An estimated $8.9 million will be spent on lodging and $17.3 million on retail sales.

Goodnight said business increases, on average, 25 to 35 percent during years when the Legislature convenes. This year looks to be no different.

From Drew Scheberle, senior vice president for federal/state advocacy with the Austin Chamber:

We certainly welcome the Legislature back to spend their money in our great watering holes and restaurants to figure out how to reduce their reliance on 1.1 billion in Austin property taxes over the next two years to fund the education system.

As Matthew Odam wrote in the preface to his session dining guide earlier this year – Legislative eats: 85 restaurants within one mile of the Texas State Capitol – When the Texas Legislature is in session, the northern parts of downtown are swamped with lawmakers, staff, lobbyists, news crews and concerned citizens.

It is time for all these restaurants to devise some summer special session specials.

And why not some special theme events.

How about a Byron Cook’s Tour of Culinary Austin?

A Four Price Prix Fixe at Dai Due?

A Freedom Caucus Steiner Ranch Steakhouse Sunset Dinner?

What fun!

Or a Dan Patrick inspection tour of outstanding Austin restaurant bathrooms.

The men’s room door at the Russian House in Austin.

If you can name four or more of the men pictured here, the U.S. House and Senate Intelligence Committees would like to speak with you.

And the Texas Chili Parlor really ought to cash in on the notoriety it got from Alex Jones’ suggestion in his testimony at his recent child custody trial at the nearby Travis County Courthouse that it was a place of laughter and forgetting.

But no, that wouldn’t be good. That wouldn’t be in the spirit of Gov. Abbott’s call.

From Abbott’s slam Wednesday on Chad Hasty’s radio show in Lubbock.

Put your work hats on

We don’t need to have them waste time by coming in at 2 o’clock in the afternoon.

And then adjourn at 5 o’clock in the afternoon.

They need to come to ‘Austin with their work hat on.

Go to work at 8 o’clock in the morning.

Work all day.

And pass things out.

They’ve got plenty of time to get it done,

If they don’t get it done

It’s because they’re lazy.

It’s because they lacked the will.

They lack the desire

To get this done.

And the taxpayers of the state of Texas

are not going to tolerate it.



Alex Jones: ‘I felt zero attraction to Megyn Kelly’

Good day Austin:

So, it wasn’t a love connection.

After a couple of weeks of pre-interview, long-distance flirting, Megyn Kelly spent Tuesday in Austin interviewing Alex Jones for her new NBC Sunday night show, and, Jones said on yesterday’s Infowars, “I got to tell you, having Megyn Kelly yesterday here until like 10:45 at night was a soul-sucking experience.”

Tuesday offered such promise. There, in person Tuesday in his South Austin studio, Jones was telling Kelly how she was even prettier in person than on television.

But yesterday, Kelly gone, he reported that, alas, Kelly was “not feminine.”

She was “cold, robotic, dead. I felt zero attraction to Megyn Kelly. That’s not an insult to Megyn Kelly. I talked to a lot of other folks that know her, they said, `No, it’s the same.’ Because you’re dealing with a sociopath? A psychopath? I don’t know.”

“But I wanted to see it for myself. The girl next door sitting there with the toad creature,” Jones said.

“She should be in the new Bladerunner as the new replicant robot. I’m like this fat toad creature.”

Not that the beast didn’t try to romance the beauty.

He piled on the Alex Jones charm.

He talked about the skyrocketing incidence of pediatric cancer.

He told Kelly, “Your children are going to die of cancer.”

“You’re going to outlive your children, Megyn,” Jones said he told her.

But, it seemed, Jones could not melt Kelly’s cold cold heart.

I wrote in yesterday’s First Reading  how I had gone from steak emporium to steak emporium in Austin Tuesday night hoping to happen up Jones and Kelly at a celebratory post-interview dinner, only to learn later that they had a quicker, less romantic early bird dinner at Rudy’s

But I guess that was because they had to get back to work.

From the top of yesterday’s show.

Alex Jones:

I got to tell you, having Megyn Kelly yesterday here until like 10:45 at night was a soul-sucking experience. I tell ya, I take my licks to get the word out, but man, dealing with lawyers that make being sociopaths an art form really lets you know why society is in so much trouble.

Later in the broadcast I think I’m going to talk a little bit about her visit and this report that’s supposedly going to air in the next few weeks, this profile, but it’s really an investigative report, masquerading as a profile, but really fake news in my view.

I mean nice people, nice producer. I felt like the lady that’s the lead producer – nice southern belle lady, older lady – is like somebody that leads you to the gas chamber, or to the hangman’s noose, or to the electric chair. They comfort you, give you your last meal. They tell you that heaven is on the other side of electrical volts that will be pouring through your brain. Heh, heh, heh.

But I know that MSM’s discredited, I know it’s so rigged. So occasionally I go into the lion’s den, so that we can illustrate what we’re looking at, and the arrogance of the power structure that put out the fake polls for Hillary, that tried to steal the election, that’s done all these other things, that we would accept having al Al-Qaeda and ISIS brought into our country. The arrogance of MSM will be its undoing.

I mean imagine, they were here from 9:30 in the morning to 10:45 at night – that’s when we stopped doing interviews. I said sure. So they could edit it down to eleven minutes and make me look as bad as possible.

But think of how far we’ve come together, that they’ve got to do stuff like this and attack us on every platform, on every news channel there is constantly because they’re scared of what we’re covering, they’re scared of what we’re doing. They’re scared of nationalism rising. America is back.

In fact, Eric Trump said last night on Hannity, “America is back, that’s why the globalists are panicking.”

Here’s a clip of yesterday’s show courtesy Media Matters for America.

Alex Jones:

I hate the polished professionalism of the globalists as they track whatever the best course is for their own personal power at the expense of humanity. I said some pretty mean things about Megan Kelly. She’s sending me nice voice mails and stuff, but it was not nice during the interview.

But I’m not even afraid of that. It’s weird how they want to say they are not being mean when they are. It’s like this mind game and not pretending like MSM has this agenda when it does, not like they are following an exact script to destroy me, so they can have this example to others to say, `You better not stand up, or we’ll crush you.’

I’m not afraid of her trying to destroy me. I’m not. I’m afraid of them trying to intimidate you.

It was a little later in the show, that Jones got into pediatric cancer rates.

Again, courtesy Media Matters.

ALEX JONES: When we do the right thing, we join our ancestors in the great quest. In God’s great plan. The “New World Order” will fail. It will fall. All of these arrogant sellouts that serve the globalist program will be punished in this life. They all lie to themselves and think they’re part of the power elite. I told Megyn Kelly last night while she was kind of snickering about world government and forced population control. I said pediatric cancers are up over 10,000 percent. Fifty years ago, a doctor would fly across the country to see a child with cancer. Now you go to the mall, to your left, to your right, the kids have got their shaved heads, they’ve got their brain surgery marks all over them. I mean, I was in one restaurant and there was four kids you could tell had brain surgery stumbling around with their motor functions hacked in half from whatever hellish testing they’d gone through — poor little babies.

And I said, “Surely, surely by the time you’re an old woman, most of your family will be dead from cancer.” And I said, “Your children are going to die of cancer.” And the people around were like, “Whoa.” Her crew, she had a big — they were like “Whoa, can we spin that? Like he’s hoping they die of cancer?” And I said, “I’m not hoping they die of cancer.” But I said, “Surely, know that if it’s 10,000-plus percent now — and that’s an old number — it’s going to be 20-, 30,000, 40,000 percent just the next few decades, it’s estimated. And it’s going to kill your children, Megyn. You’re going to outlive your children, Megyn. And I’ve got children on this planet too as well and I want to reverse this, so you think about working for those psychopaths.”

Go ahead and show some pictures of her. You think about working for the “New World Order” long and hard. And everybody at Media Matters and all the rest of you, you think about that. Because you can have that painted-on Joker smile all you want. And those lawyer sociopath eyes.

But at the end of the day, I’ve spoken the truth, and I’ve warned you, and I’ve laid out the facts. Because I have basic humanity. And I know that’s not the trendy mainline culture that’s pushed — and I’m not even singling Megyn Kelly out and saying she’s the end-all, be-all of evil.

But not feminine — cold, robotic, dead. I felt zero attraction to Megyn Kelly. That’s not an insult to Megyn Kelly. I talked to a lot of other folks that know her, they said, “No, it’s the same.” Because you’re dealing with — sociopath? A psychopath? I don’t know.

But I wanted to see it for myself. The girl next door sitting there with the toad creature.

And again, she can come off like the sweetest, nicest person. She told me point blank in a long phone conversation that she wasn’t going to get into the things and wasn’t going to focus on the things that I knew she was coming for. And then for 90 minutes — that was the last interview of three yesterday — she did everything she said she wouldn’t in spades. And I knew that from before she ever came. But I wanted to see it for myself. And so that we could all see it for ourselves as well and experience what it is to serve the force that is strangling this country.

He returned to his discussion of Megyn Kelly with sidekick Owen Shroyer.

OS: We’re not going to go down the Megyn Kelly road but she thinks we’re stupid, she thinks she’s a higher intellectual person than me. It’s not even close

AJ: You kind of got in a big argument with her.

OS: I didn’t get in an argument with her. I threw a couple of jabs at her. She thinks she can come in here and she thinks we’re really going to think she’s a big deal. I really couldn’t care less about Megyn Kelly to be honest.

AJ: I really don’t want to be mean to her.

OS: She was mean to you, Alex, don’t forget what she did to you.

AJ: Oh I know, you’re coming to do the Pizzagate and the Chobani Yogurt, and the rest of it, and Newtown, that’s just the thing they hammer on like it’s some defeat for us or whatever, and she goes, “Oh, no, no, no.’

OS: Or gay frogs, which is provable

AJ: And then constantly, that all it was for hours, she asked me the same question over and over and over again all day long.

OS: For an eleven-minute piece.

AJ: And I felt completely empty at the end of it. So that’s why I don’t do these pieces, because…


OS: Don’t feel empty Alex, you did the right thing.

AJ: I’ll tell you though, she should be in the new Bladerunner as the new replicant robot. I’m like this fat toad creature.

And apparently, as we close the book on Megyn Kelly’s visit with Alex Jones, the frog did not get a kiss.