Good Monday Austin:
Hope you all (or y’all) had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Since our children and the rest of our family are back East and weren’t here for the holiday, my wife and I decided to do an early Jewish Christmas this year – back-to-back movies at the Regal Stadium Gateway 16, and takeout Chinese from Szechuan House on Burnet.
The first movie we saw was Allied. My wife loves Brad Pitt, but, she agreed, it was not so good.
Michael Phillips got it right in his review in the Chicago Tribune: Brad Pitt, Marion Cotillard team up for gorgeous, empty WWII spy thriller
In the swank but waxy new World War II-era Robert Zemeckis film “Allied,” starring Brad Pitt, Marion Cotillard and whatever sunglasses they happen to be wearing at the time, we’re in the land of patently artificial intrigue, as opposed to fakery trying to be, in any sense, real.
But, it made me wonder, amid the recent neo-Nazi revival, what would Richard Spencer think. I mean, when a neo-Nazi goes to a World War II movie, do they root for the Nazis? Do they weep when the Nazis are foiled and cheer when the Americans are killed?
Spencer, you may recall, is the white nationalist who recently inspired some followers to snap into the Nazi salute at a well-covered gathering of supporters in the ballroom at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center near the White House.
From the account in the Washington Post:
Spencer’s voice rose as the speech neared its end.
“For us, as Europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again!” he shouted. “Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!”
He raised his glass and, in video caught on camera by the Atlantic, the heart of the alt-right stood and cheered — and a number of them offered their leader the Nazi salute.
And from the stage, Spencer looked at his followers, smiled and applauded.
From the Atlantic:
For most of the day, a parade of speakers discussed their ideology in relatively anodyne terms, putting a presentable face on their agenda. But after dinner, when most journalists had already departed, Spencer rose and delivered a speech to his followers dripping with anti-Semitism, and leaving no doubt as to what he actually seeks. He referred to the mainstream media as “Lügenpresse,” a term he said he was borrowing from “the original German”; the Nazis used the word to attack their critics in the press.
“America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Spencer said. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
The audience offered cheers, applause, and enthusiastic Nazi salutes.
The night before, Spencer and company had a dinner at Maggiano’s Little Italian in Northwest Washington. From the Washington Post report:
As the dinner neared its end, and with the TV cameras all downstairs, he explained the schedule for the next day’s conference. Then, as Spencer considered how they should mark its finish, he smiled and offered a joke.
“Let’s party like it’s 1933,” he declared, referencing the year Hitler was appointed Germany’s chancellor and the Nazis embarked on the creation of their own ethno-state.
Beneath chandeliers and amid dark, wood-paneled walls, the alt-right erupted in cheers.
Spencer, his expression now serious, waited for them to quiet, then spoke once more.
“Let’s party like it’s 2016!” he shouted, raising his bare arms and pumping them in the air as the room roared even louder.
I’ve been to that Maggiano’s a number of times and never took it to be a fascist front. The last time I was there with my daughter they had a special where for $1 they gave you the meal you had just ordered a second time – you could take it home. It a bit odd, but more socialist than fascist.
Back in February, Jimmy Kimmel presented the Trump campaign as modeled on The Producers.
Like The Producers, the Trump campaign succeeded despite doing everything it could to fail.
However, it goes even beyond that script if it turns out that the American electorate not only fell in love with the political equivalent of Springtime for Hitler, but actually believed, with Trump’s election, it was springtime for Hitler.
But, in fact, I don’t think that was what happened.
Americans may have many things to fear in a Trump administration, but goose-stepping, Sieg Heiling neo-Nazis, is not one of them
People like Spencer, with his overt neo-Nazism, are not a serious threat. They are ridiculous.
I say this with some confidence.
I was covering race and immigration in those years and when I started on that beat in 1991 I believed that the biggest story of my life was America’s dramatic demographic transformation into a nation in which whites would no longer be a majority as an unintended consequence of mass immigration, a policy that while it had elite support from the multicultural left and big business, didn’t really have broad-based democratic sanction and was especially unpopular with working class people of all races who faced economic competition and loss of their sense of place.
It seemed unlikely that the transformation would come off without a hitch, and it seemed at least possible that at some point white nationalist thought would gain greater public purchase. And, it seemed to me, that Jared Taylor, American Renaissance’s smooth, sophisticated, intellectual leader, was the kind of white nationalist leader who could sell it to a larger audience.
Well, I was wrong about that. I didn’t see Donald Trump coming. Or that Richard Spencer, a Jared Taylor protege, would ride to public consciousness in Trump’s wake.
But, no one at the American Renaissance conferences I went to, which included some people whose neo-Nazi credentials were as well in order as Spencer’s, would have been foolish enough to behave the way that Spencer and company did at Maggiano’s – and in front of the Atlantic’s cameras.
Indeed, it seemed that Spencer was playing to those cameras in a bid for notoriety, and the rush of press and profiles that has now made him a newborn celebrity in the age of Trump, but at the expense of being anything more than a self-parody.
A native Texan, Spencer will be speaking at Texas A&M on Dec. 6, and while protest may well be the order of the day when he comes to College Station, I can guarantee you, the only thing that would delight Richard Spencer more than a big crowd of supporters would be an even bigger crowd of protesters, the more ferocious, the better.
The second movie my wife and I saw on Thanksgiving was Arrival. I love Amy Adams, and it was pretty good Thought-provoking, even.
From Jia Tolentino in the New Yorker.
“Arrival,” the new movie from Denis Villeneuve (“Sicario,” “Prisoners”), which Anthony Lane reviewed in last week’s issue of the magazine—and which, this past weekend, earned twenty-four million dollars at the box office, more than people were expecting—is based on “Story of Your Life,” by the literary sci-fi writer Ted Chiang. It stars Amy Adams as a linguist who comes to play an extraordinary role during an alien visitation. The movie is a model of faithful, transformative film adaptation. It’s also an exploration of a humble and brave ontological position that, in the aftershock of the Presidential election, feels as sublime, unfamiliar, and vaguely oracular as the iron-gray spaceships that hover in the film.
Adams plays a self-effacing professor named Louise Banks, who remains calm as the spaceships descend. Viewers, on the other hand, might find their pulses rising, as I did; post-election, the panic resonates.
As the global panic escalates, an Alex Jones type rants about the heptapods on YouTube: the smartest thing we could do, he says, is display force. A war nearly begins when the heptapods state their desire to offer a “weapon,” which Banks frantically tells her superiors could mean something as innocuous as “tool.” In a stupefying final encounter, the heptapods communicate to Banks that they’ve really been trying to pass down a gift. It’s a trade, in the long run: in three thousand years, they’ll need the help of humanity.
The Sunday after the election, I watched this and wept. What a dream—to perceive instinctive purpose in what happens around us, to submit to that teleology, to enact it. What a fantasy, to imagine that we’ll be around to help anyone in three thousand years.
OK. So take that, intertwine it with that bit from the Allied review – we’re in the land of patently artificial intrigue, as opposed to fakery trying to be, in any sense, real – and we arrive at the real subject of today’s First Reading – fake news and the 2016 election.
According to a highly-clicked Thanksgiving Day story by Craig Timberg in the Washington Post, it is not the Nazi we have to fear, but the Russkies.
Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say
The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.
Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.
Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on “fake news,” as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem.
There is no way to know whether the Russian campaign proved decisive in electing Trump, but researchers portray it as part of a broadly effective strategy of sowing distrust in U.S. democracy and its leaders. The tactics included penetrating the computers of election officials in several states and releasing troves of hacked emails that embarrassed Clinton in the final months of her campaign.
I don’t know. Reading that, I was skeptical. Or at any rate when Timberg writes about the origins of a propaganda campaign portraying Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers or to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia, a more obvious culprit leaps to mind.
It’s not Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin in Moscow. Its Alexander Emerick “Alex” Jones right here in Austin, who, I am pretty sure, doesn’t really need Putin’s help in coming up with this stuff or disseminating it to a huge audience.
Back to Timberg’s story.
“They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” said Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who along with two other researchers has tracked Russian propaganda since 2014. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”
So this story depends on a group that prefaces its earth-shaking report with, Thanks to the Generous Sponsorship of Nobody. (Funding? Hah!)
Here’s more from the Post story.
The researchers used Internet analytics tools to trace the origins of particular tweets and mapped the connections among social-media accounts that consistently delivered synchronized messages. Identifying website codes sometimes revealed common ownership. In other cases, exact phrases or sentences were echoed by sites and social-media accounts in rapid succession, signaling membership in connected networks controlled by a single entity.
PropOrNot’s monitoring report, which was provided to The Washington Post in advance of its public release, identifies more than 200 websites as routine peddlers of Russian propaganda during the election season, with combined audiences of at least 15 million Americans. On Facebook, PropOrNot estimates that stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign were viewed more than 213 million times.
Some players in this online echo chamber were knowingly part of the propaganda campaign, the researchers concluded, while others were “useful idiots” — a term born of the Cold War to describe people or institutions that unknowingly assisted Soviet Union propaganda efforts.
The Russian campaign during this election season, researchers from both groups say, worked by harnessing the online world’s fascination with “buzzy” content that is surprising and emotionally potent, and tracks with popular conspiracy theories about how secret forces dictate world events.
Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say. On other occasions, RT, Sputnik and other Russian sites used social-media accounts to amplify misleading stories already circulating online, causing news algorithms to identify them as “trending” topics that sometimes prompted coverage from mainstream American news organizations.
The speed and coordination of these efforts allowed Russian-backed phony news to outcompete traditional news organizations for audience. Some of the first and most alarming tweets after Clinton fell ill at a Sept. 11 memorial event in New York, for example, came from Russian botnets and trolls, researchers found. (She was treated for pneumonia and returned to the campaign trail a few days later.)
This followed a spate of other misleading stories in August about Clinton’s supposedly troubled health. The Daily Beast debunked a particularly widely read piece in an article that reached 1,700 Facebook accounts and was read online more than 30,000 times. But the PropOrNot researchers found that the version supported by Russian propaganda reached 90,000 Facebook accounts and was read more than 8 million times. The researchers said the true Daily Beast story was like “shouting into a hurricane” of false stories supported by the Russians.
This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories — fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia — to Russian propaganda efforts.
The final weeks of the campaign featured a heavy dose of stories about supposed election irregularities, allegations of vote-rigging and the potential for Election Day violence should Clinton win, researchers said.
“The way that this propaganda apparatus supported Trump was equivalent to some massive amount of a media buy,” said the executive director of PropOrNot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers. “It was like Russia was running a super PAC for Trump’s campaign. . . . It worked.”
Wait. Hold on.
The executive director of PropOrNot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers…
Maybe I met the executive director on Nov. 19 among the anti-White Lives Matter counter-protesters at the Texas Capitol, many of whom also wore masks to protect themselves from the alt-right’s legions of skilled hackers.
Here’s some more from the PropOrNot FAQ.
We are an independent team of concerned American citizens with a wide range of backgrounds and expertise, including professional experience in computer science, statistics, public policy, and national security affairs. We are currently volunteering our time and skills to identify propaganda – particularly Russian propaganda – targeting a U.S. audience. We collect public-record information connecting propaganda outlets to each other and their coordinators abroad, analyze what we find, act as a central repository and point of reference for related information, and organize efforts to oppose it.
Some of our members have been aware of Russian influence operations in a professional context for quite some time, but others have become increasingly aware of existing research on the subject in light of recent events in Ukraine, Western Europe, and the Middle East. We formed PropOrNot as an effort to prevent propaganda from distorting U.S. political and policy discussions. We hope to strengthen our cultural immune systems against hostile influence and improve public discourse generally.
We are completely independent, because we not funded by anyone, and we have no formal institutional affiliations. We are nonpartisan, in that our team includes all major political persuasions except the pro-Russian kind. We are anonymous for now, because we are civilian Davids taking on a state-backed adversary Goliath, and we take things like the international Russian intimidation of journalists, “Pizzagate”-style mob harassment, and the assassination of Jo Cox very seriously, but we can in some cases provide background information about ourselves on a confidential basis to professional journalists. We do not publicly describe all of our sources and methods, although we describe most of them, and again, we can in some cases provide much more detail to journalists and other researchers in order to contextualize their reporting.
We are American, and our team has more than 30 members, including Ukrainian-American, Iraqi-American, and quite a few other varieties of folks. We are united in our overall objectives: to identify, help counter, and eventually deter Russian propaganda. Any time an outlet consistently echoes, repeats, or refers its audience to Russian propaganda, we’re going to analyze it and call it out. We work to shine a light on propaganda in order to prevent it from distorting political and policy discussions, to strengthen our cultural immune systems against hostile influence, and to improve public discourse generally.
So, to that end, they have released a list of American websites and media outlets who it identifies as either agents of Russian propaganda or its useful idiots, with this explanation:
Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide “useful idiots” of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.
We assess that this overall Russian effort is at least semi-centralized, with multiple Russian projects and influence operations working in parallel to manage the direct and outsourced production of propaganda across a wide range of outlets. It is data-driven, and rewards effective entrepreneurship and innovation with increased funding and other resources. There are varying degrees of involvement in it, and awareness of involvement. Some people involved seem genuinely unaware that they are being used by Russia to produce propaganda, but many others seem to know full well.
Very well, but, it seems to me that before it publishes a story that purports to name the names of those engaging in fake news, the Washington Post, which covered itself with glory for its Trump coverage, should make quite sure it is well sourced and ironclad.
At least Joseph McCarthy wasn’t wearing a Zorro mask when he said on February 9, 1950, in Wheeling, West Virginia, “I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party, and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy of the State Department.”
From Glenn Grenwald and Ben Norton at the Intercept: Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
The Washington Post on Thursday night promoted the claims of a new, shadowy organization that smears dozens of U.S. news sites that are critical of U.S. foreign policy as being “routine peddlers of Russian propaganda.” The article by reporter Craig Timberg — headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say” — cites a report by an anonymous website calling itself PropOrNot, which claims that millions of Americans have been deceived this year in a massive Russian “misinformation campaign.”
The group’s list of Russian disinformation outlets includes WikiLeaks and the Drudge Report, as well as Clinton-critical left-wing websites such as Truthout, Black Agenda Report, Truthdig, and Naked Capitalism, as well as libertarian venues such as Antiwar.com and the Ron Paul Institute.
This Post report was one of the most widely circulated political news articles on social media over the last 48 hours, with dozens, perhaps hundreds, of U.S. journalists and pundits with large platforms hailing it as an earth-shattering exposé. It was the most-read piece on the entire Post website on Friday after it was published.
Yet the article is rife with obviously reckless and unproven allegations, and fundamentally shaped by shoddy, slothful journalistic tactics. It was not surprising to learn that, as BuzzFeed’s Sheera Frenkel noted, “a lot of reporters passed on this story.” Its huge flaws are self-evident. But the Post gleefully ran with it and tand then promoted it aggressively, led by its Executive Editor Marty Baron:
Mathew Ingram of Fortune also critiqued the Post story, under the headline, No, Russian Agents Are Not Behind Every Piece of Fake News You See
In effect, both of these groups want to portray anyone who shared a salacious but untrue news story about Hillary Clinton as an agent of an orchestrated Russian intelligence campaign.
Has the rise of fake news played into the hands of those who want to spread disinformation? Sure it has. But connecting hundreds of Twitter accounts into a dark web of Russian-controlled agents, along with any website that sits on some poorly thought-out blacklist, seems like the beginnings of a conspiracy theory, rather than a scientific analysis of the problem.
Here is how PropOrNot reacted to criticism.
As Elmer Fudd.
From the Intercept:
Included on this blacklist of supposed propaganda outlets are prominent independent left-wing news sites such as Truthout, Naked Capitalism, Black Agenda Report, Consortium News, and Truthdig.
Also included are popular libertarian hubs such as Zero Hedge, Antiwar.com, and the Ron Paul Institute, along with the hugely influential right-wing website the Drudge Report and the publishing site WikiLeaks. Far-right, virulently anti-Muslim blogs such as Bare Naked Islam are likewise dubbed Kremlin mouthpieces. Basically, everyone who isn’t comfortably within the centrist Hillary Clinton/Jeb Bush spectrum is guilty. On its Twitter account, the group announced a new “plugin” that automatically alerts the user that a visited website has been designated by the group to be a Russian propaganda outlet.
Also, of course, on the list are Alex Jones’s InfoWars and Prison Planet sites.
But, a week earlier, PropOrNot tweeted a simpler way to spot a Russian dupe
Well that would include Texas Gov. Greg Abbott. And Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. And U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz. And state Party Chairman Tom Mechler. And well, really, virtually every Republican official in Texas.
And it would include the president-elect of the United States.
And here we get to the nub of the fake news dilemma.
The person most spectacularly spreading the word about Hillary Clinton’s ill-health was Donald Trump (and, in fairness, Rudy Giuliani). It was Trump who warned that the election was rigged and was going to be stolen from him. It was Trump whose final ad was all about resisting the conspiratorial global special interests, complete, when those word were spoken, with an image of Soros,
Forget the professional propagators of fake news.
Is Twitter going to suspend President Trump’s Twitter account?
Is Facebook going to block users from posting unfounded emanations from the president of the United States?
No evidence, huh?
So where did Trump get that idea?
No. Alex Jones.
Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens: Trump may have won popular vote
Were there 3 million illegal votes from undocumented immigrants in this year’s presidential election? Well, that’s what some websites are saying.
“Report: 3 million votes in presidential election cast by illegal aliens,” reads a headline on InfoWars, a conspiracy website ran by Alex Jones. The article has been shared via Facebook more than 48,000 times when we last looked.
So is there any truth to it?
Well, we don’t know for absolute certain. But the report is actually a tweet, and the person who authored the tweet won’t explain how he arrived at his figure. If that isn’t reason enough to be skeptical, independent experts and historical analyses suggest it’s highly suspect.
In other words, don’t buy it
Meanwhile PropOrNot has tweeted and retweeted images of Putin dining with Michael Flynn, Trump’s choice for national security adviser, and Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein, all apparently part of the Russian conspiracy to elect Trump and defeat Clinton.
Stein, in fact, said during the campaign that Clinton was more dangerous and more likely to lead us into war than Trump.
So why did she quickly raise a lot of money – more than she had raised in her entire campaign – to seek a recount in critical states that Clinton lost?
And why has the Clinton Team now joined Stein’s Wisconsin’s recount effort?
Meanwhile, this from Lee Fang from the the Intercept on Saturday: Some Fake News Publishers Just Happen to Be Donald Trump’s Cronies
Laura Ingraham, a close Trump ally currently under consideration to be Trump’s White House press secretary, owns an online publisher called Ingraham Media Group that runs a number of sites, including LifeZette, a news site that frequently posts articles of dubious veracity. One video produced by LifeZette this summer, ominously titled “Clinton Body Count,” promoted a conspiracy theory that the Clinton family had some role in the plane crash death of John F. Kennedy, Jr., as well as the deaths of various friends and Democrats.
The video, published on Facebook from LifeZette’s verified news account, garnered over 400,000 shares and 14 million views.
Another LifeZette video, picking up false claims from other sites, claimed that voting machines “might be compromised” because a voting machine company called Smartmatic, allegedly providing voting machines “in sixteen states,” was purchased by the liberal billionaire George Soros. Soros never purchased the company, and Smartmatic did not provide voting machines used in the general election.
Where do they come up with this stuff?
Soros Linked Voting Machines To Be Used In Key Battleground States Top globalist doing his best to control upcoming election October 25, 2016 65 Comments
One LifeZette article misleadingly claimed that the United Nations backed a “secret” Obama administration takeover of local police departments. The article referenced Justice Department orders that a select few police departments address patterns of misconduct, a practice that, in reality, long predates the Obama presidency, is hardly secret, and had no relation to the United Nations
InfoWars shared this report. UN Backs Secret Obama Takeover of Police International org calls for federalization of U.S. law enforcement to be ‘beefed up,’ cover all of America
Another LifeZette article, which went viral in the week prior to the election, falsely claimed that Wikileaks had revealed that a senior Hillary Clinton campaign official had engaged in occult rituals. Ingraham’s site regularly receives links from the Drudge Report and other powerful drivers of Internet traffic.
Now that’s truly strange. Where did that come from?
Bombshell: Hillary Clinton’s Satanic Network Exposed Learn more about Hillary’s demonic ties November 4, 2016 534
But the boldest idea in this regard comes from Mike Cernovich, an influential pro-Trump social media presence. (See The New Yorker’s Andrew Marantz on Trolls for Trump: Meet Mike Cernovich, the meme mastermind of the alt-right.)
The White House Press Corps must be disbanded. You cannot allow snakes inside your house. We know what snakes do.
Some will call this an attack on the free press, which is nonsense and shows ignorance of both the Press Corp and the First Amendment.
The White House press corps is the group of journalists or correspondents usually stationed at the White House in Washington, D.C., to cover the President of the United States, White House events, and news briefings. Their offices are located in the West Wing.
The First Amendment does not give hoaxing journalists the right to set up an office inside the Trump House.
Members of the press have every right to write about Trump. Under NY Times v. Sullivan, they even have a constitutional right to lie about him.
Cenovich was on the InfoWars broadcast this weekend with editor Paul Joseph Watson
They agreed that neo-Nazi Richard Spencer was a embarrassment and a joke who the mainstream media was promoting to smear and undermine the alt-right.
And they agreed that, in Cenovich’s words, “We are the media. we don’t need the fake media.”
In fact, Jones has already announced the creation of a Fake News Analysis Center. to fight back as the discredited “mainstream” media makes desperate attempt to control narrative
And, last week, in what I thought a brilliant stroke, Jones extended backward in time his identity with his hero – suggesting that Trump, like himself, is and has always been a 9/11 Truther, the very matter on which Jones went from cultish Austin gadfly to man of the world and, ultimately, most trusted news source of the president of the United States.
It’s 9/11 2001. Donald Trump is being interviewed. The Towers have just collapsed. He talks about the fact that I’ve built buildings like this. This building is incredibly sturdy. It’s one of the strongest in the world . It’s basically solid metal. How in the world did they collapse without there being bombs in the airplane or bombs in the building.
Now, why is this so important? Because if Donald Trump had been an insider he would have known there was a stand-down that day and Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11 with criminal elements of our government. He would have gone along with the official story but he didn’t. He he was there Day ne saying he same thing I was saying on the radio at the same time.